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  • ArbitraryArbitrary
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    AFKzor wrote: »

    Look at the changes they've made so far :

    [snipping images for redundancy]

    Game is totally and utterly ruined guys. 2 millimeters less cleavage and barely noticeable breast reduction, @#$ this, get the pitch fork guys!

    People...

    They butchered Kurenai breasts by half.

    Also they removed some in game breast physics animations.

    its best to ignore the guy. he is the same clown that is calling everyone "neckbeard virgins" on reddit in every thread about censorship. he is an A class clown. Kurenai went from a D cup to a B cup despite having zero cleavage shown. i guess women arnt allowed to have D cups because they are "unrealistic"? who knew. im gonna go tell my friend to go see a surgeon and get her D cups reduced to a B cup because they are too sexy and unrealistic, brb.

    LMAO, go read your own post post on Reddit again, you're the one that comes off as a complete idiot in the first place. His post --> https://www.reddit.com/r/HyperUniverse/comments/6xx16q/i_have_to_know_who_is_actually_complaining_about/

    Perhaps if you would have actually posted something intelligent and insightful I would have responded accordingly, but nupe, all you did was cry and moan in all caps like a raging neckbeard, lel. That's why I'm not taking you seriously, you're a living joke.

    Jesus dude, how old are you? i think you might be a bit too young to be playing this game even with the censorship.

    It's cool man, keep crying like a true old fat neckbeard over your oversized anime boobs while we, actual normal people, enjoy the game.

    smh...
  • AFKzorAFKzor
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    n, keep crying like a true old fat neckbeard over your oversized anime boobs while we, actual normal people, enjoy the game.

    You are far from the norm. And what are you enjoy? 20+ min queues?
    Darkside_HeroQuros
  • HeraklionHeraklion
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    What i find strange about this whole situation is that no one seems to be supportive of the censorship, its either people being against it, which is the majority and there are some people who don't care whether its censored or not. I have been keeping up with this discussion for a long time and i haven't seen a single person actually advocate for the censorship.

    So were the devs just lying to us when they said that the reason for this change was community feedback and that the majority of the community asked for censorship?

    It seems to me that the changes were made based on the personal beliefs of the developers, which is also confirmed by the fact that one of them called smaller boobs "more realistic" and "less ridiculous", when the original sizes weren't in any way ridiculous or unrealistic. Not to mention that removing the breast physics has made the animations LESS realistic due to breasts behaving as if they are made of stone.
    TomekPLAFKzorRawrzoryArbitraryStreizarDarkside_HeroQondar
  • TomatoTentacleTomatoTentacle
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    edited September 5
    Heraklion wrote: »
    What i find strange about this whole situation is that no one seems to be supportive of the censorship, its either people being against it, which is the majority and there are some people who don't care whether its censored or not.

    They said they "got approached via PM by people who feared being bullied" to explain why no one ever saw a reply supporting the changes, and that since they got that response it was more than likely that more people feared being "bullied" and were not speaking out. That and the whole "think of the children" PAX thing.

    Using that same fallacy, you could say that for every person that bothers to make a forum account and post complaining about the censorship, there may be a lot more that simply walked away; that for every refund they got on steam caused by the awareness of the censorship, there may be a lot more who actually checked the discussions/reddit/this forum and decided not to buy in the first place.

    At this point it's fairly obvious that the people who feared being "bullied" are not showing up, and the only remaining players are those of the "I don't care" camp.
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  • ShakrinaShakrina
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    Heraklion wrote: »
    What i find strange about this whole situation is that no one seems to be supportive of the censorship, its either people being against it, which is the majority and there are some people who don't care whether its censored or not.

    They said they "got approached via PM by people who feared being bullied" to explain why no one ever saw a reply supporting the changes, and that since they got that response it was more than likely that more people feared being "bullied" and were not speaking out. That and the whole "think of the children" PAX thing.

    Using that same fallacy, you could say that for every person that bothers to make a forum account and post complaining about the censorship, there may be a lot more that simply walked away; that for every refund they got on steam caused by the awareness of the censorship, there may be a lot more who actually checked the discussions/reddit/this forum and decided not to buy in the first place.

    At this point it's fairly obvious that the people who feared being "bullied" are not showing up, and the only remaining players are those of the "I don't care" camp.

    It's just bullshit.
    Nexon allready lied about the thread from beta. So they can keep lie xD
    Censore is obvioulsy a devs choice. Evidence : from this censore shitstorm each day less ppl play this game. Strange if hidden majority was for the censore/dont care... :p
    PythieDarkside_Hero
  • RawrzoryRawrzory
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    Heraklion wrote: »
    What i find strange about this whole situation is that no one seems to be supportive of the censorship, its either people being against it, which is the majority and there are some people who don't care whether its censored or not. I have been keeping up with this discussion for a long time and i haven't seen a single person actually advocate for the censorship.

    So were the devs just lying to us when they said that the reason for this change was community feedback and that the majority of the community asked for censorship?

    It seems to me that the changes were made based on the personal beliefs of the developers, which is also confirmed by the fact that one of them called smaller boobs "more realistic" and "less ridiculous", when the original sizes weren't in any way ridiculous or unrealistic. Not to mention that removing the breast physics has made the animations LESS realistic due to breasts behaving as if they are made of stone.

    Now that you mention it ... that is indeed true. I mean sofar the conversation has been pretty civil (minus some small bumps in the road so to speak) so there would be no reason to not join the conversation. Also it's not because you are anti-censorship that you are immidiately immune to being "bullied", but atleast you voiced your opinions. If you want to be heard the fist step is to start talking and not only through PM's.

    Hmmm this story is starting to be a bit shaky nexon ... I do not oppose the censorship, but slowly i am starting to doubt the amount of people that take offense to the original art/physics. They seem invisible indeed and allot better then kurenai.

    PythiejobethQondarDarkside_Hero
  • Kandyl72Kandyl72
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    Not everyone is simply crying over the censorship and being immature about it.

    Of course not but I swear the majority of post from here, from Reddit and from the Steam forum just reek of neckbeard idiocy...

    Look at the changes they've made so far :

    [snipping images for redundancy]

    Game is totally and utterly ruined guys. 2 millimeters less cleavage and barely noticeable breast reduction, @#$ this, get the pitch fork guys!

    People...


    You fail to mention the blue rose changes they made, which was the most severe of them all. Whats idiotic is not looking at all facts presented to you or doing research =/. because of that blue rose change i am going to watch closely what they do to the succubus. as i said before if they make 1 extreme change they will feel the need to make several more.

    Also calling someone a "neckbeard" because the game was falsely advertised to them is lunacy. its like insulting someone for getting 5 pieces of LARGE wings that were advertised on tv but then only getting 2 very small wings for the same price... its also a insult not even 4th graders would use.

    If you don't mind me asking, what exactly did they do to Blue Rose besides change her picture? One thing I noticed was when she runs her breasts do not bounce whatsoever, which is seriously odd.
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  • AFKzorAFKzor
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    Kandyl72 wrote: »
    If you don't mind me asking, what exactly did they do to Blue Rose besides change her picture? One thing I noticed was when she runs her breasts do not bounce whatsoever, which is seriously odd.

    Is not enough?
    I'm too new here to know details, but I know they removed entire attack animation from her.
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  • ChristmasChanChristmasChan
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    Kandyl72 wrote: »

    Not everyone is simply crying over the censorship and being immature about it.

    Of course not but I swear the majority of post from here, from Reddit and from the Steam forum just reek of neckbeard idiocy...

    Look at the changes they've made so far :

    [snipping images for redundancy]

    Game is totally and utterly ruined guys. 2 millimeters less cleavage and barely noticeable breast reduction, @#$ this, get the pitch fork guys!

    People...


    You fail to mention the blue rose changes they made, which was the most severe of them all. Whats idiotic is not looking at all facts presented to you or doing research =/. because of that blue rose change i am going to watch closely what they do to the succubus. as i said before if they make 1 extreme change they will feel the need to make several more.

    Also calling someone a "neckbeard" because the game was falsely advertised to them is lunacy. its like insulting someone for getting 5 pieces of LARGE wings that were advertised on tv but then only getting 2 very small wings for the same price... its also a insult not even 4th graders would use.

    If you don't mind me asking, what exactly did they do to Blue Rose besides change her picture? One thing I noticed was when she runs her breasts do not bounce whatsoever, which is seriously odd.

    The original was just sexier than the current which has her arms crossed to cover the entirety of her chest
  • LightyearsLightyears
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    Just to reiterate:

    Yes, we have adjusted some of the female and male Hyper models and poses... though the debate seems to only be about the female characters' looks. Actually the debate seems to be almost exclusively about breast size. On a scale of 1 to 10, we changed some female breast sizes from a 15 to about a 10. For some, this was going too far.

    It’s our stance that there is a difference between sexy and lewd and that difference matters in the Western market. Let’s be fair, if we had wanted to completely sanitize the game, we’d have Tatyana in a turtleneck poncho and rocking workboots. We did not do that.

    One argument is that we are “messing with the artist’s vision” of the game. Everything we do is done in partnership with the dev team in Korea, so all the changes you see are implemented by the original artists and agreed upon by the Korean development team.

    We want our Hypers to be appealing and powerful and even sexy. We also want them to be characters everyone can enjoy and can freely share with others. We believe these minor changes, which have absolutely no impact on gameplay, are positive for the overall appeal of the game without completely changing the core of what makes the characters unique.

    We stand by the small changes that we have made.

    Edit: Wordage

    And because you take it upon yourselves to choose what is ok (or not) for me to see, I choose to take my business elsewhere.

    I've already stopped playing Combat Arms also, which was the last NX game to hold my interest. I do not and will not support companies that promote censorship in any capacity.

    Good Day,
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  • HegokenHegoken
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    Lightyears wrote: »

    And because you take it upon yourselves to choose what is ok (or not) for me to see, I choose to take my business elsewhere.

    I've already stopped playing Combat Arms also, which was the last NX game to hold my interest. I do not and will not support companies that promote censorship in any capacity.

    Good Day,

    I believe people are missing this point that you have stated. It's not just about breasts and jiggles, it's about choice and freedom to choose. Once you let them take our choice away, its our fault for letting them do so.
    So we speak up before it snowballs into something that we cannot come back from.
    Darkside_HeroArbitrary
  • ChristmasChanChristmasChan
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    edited September 7
    What its really about is simply making and KEEPING your majority playerbase that supports your game and want it to succeed happy. Just look at comments here, on steam, on twitch, on youtube. If this game has to die and become an example to future games that have "sexy" content and that game doenst censor that content then that is a victory ill take even if i dont touch said game.

    Ill put it like this, if the minority says "i wont touch ur game if its not censored" and the majority says " i wont touch ur game if it is censored" which crowd would u support? If its not the majority ur shooting urself in the foot on purpose.
  • RusuhRusuh
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    Late to the party but I haven't had any issues with the changes. Still a great game with beautiful characters and well polished.

    It's weird that people are accusing the Devs of deciding to go rogue to make these changes without reason. Just adds more development time and increases the chances of bugs.

    Anyways, hope you guys stick with the game. If you keep up the complaints they could be swayed to add more characters or skins that suit your tastes.
  • UncensoredorBustUncensoredorBust
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    edited September 8
    The Reasoning is indeed very Weird one must be living under Rocks if nexon believed a Censorship like that would not be protested against which very clearly shows that more got alienated by this than the other way around. (specially since alphas are very concentrated groups invited by the publisher)

    The Solution that would have been easily defensible would have been the Compromise to have the censorship optionally toggleable.
    I have defended optional censorship in the past like for instance uncensor patches for steam games.
    Steam as a US Company sometimes pre or post release takes a game down and a censored version goes up again and pretty much every Dev/Publisher that is worth his Salt will offer an uncensor Patch to not Alienate their customers.

    Its a very sad affair that nexon instead chose the tired old excuse of think of the children


    Oh and don't forget Social Justice Morons are a myth and don't actually exist
  • RawrzoryRawrzory
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    edited September 8
    I just found something on the steam forums that some people might be intrested in. http://steamcommunity.com/app/591530/discussions/0/1474222595294855216/

    RazielWarmonic [developer] 4 hours ago
    Hey there!

    We are sorry to hear that you were having issues with your controller. Were you able to get in contact with a team member to help you figure it out? If not, we can diagnose the issue now if you would like to give it a try.

    As for your issue with the modified artwork, we will be addressing that soon.

    Thank you,
    Raz


    Whatever that means i think there will some closure to the entire matter.
  • RetroByteRetroByte
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    edited September 8
    I love boobies and all that stuff i really do,in fact I'm the king of the pervs BUT...... you all are overreacting about the censuring stuff, looks like some of you thought that this is a porn game that will help you to relief manly tensions, and is NOT, is just a cool Korean MOBA in 2D F2P.
    So! this post is just pointless because all the ones who complain about the censorship already refunded the game and you are just judging the game by "the SIZE of the BOOBS and the BOOBS physics" and that´s is lame, one of two, or you are too youngs for this game like underage or you are NOT GAMERS, because a game is about the fun not about the boobs.

    Also i cant complain about the censorship because...

    1º The female Hypers looks amazing and sexys.
    2º I didnt played the Korean version and being honest I DONT CARE about the KOREAN Version.

    So you have 2 options, 1º keep complaining about the censorship and dont play the game, or 2º MOVE FOWARD and OVERCOME your TRAUMA and do something productive like play another videogame, there is plenty of them and F2P.

    PD: English is not my first language so i apologize about the spelling mistakes.
  • squiddlydoosquiddlydoo
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    Rawrzory wrote: »
    I just found something on the steam forums that some people might be intrested in. http://steamcommunity.com/app/591530/discussions/0/1474222595294855216/

    RazielWarmonic [developer] 4 hours ago
    Hey there!

    We are sorry to hear that you were having issues with your controller. Were you able to get in contact with a team member to help you figure it out? If not, we can diagnose the issue now if you would like to give it a try.

    As for your issue with the modified artwork, we will be addressing that soon.

    Thank you,
    Raz


    Whatever that means i think there will some closure to the entire matter.

    I hope they'll make the right decision because I'm so tired of hearing people talk about this, lol.
    Rawrzory
  • RawrzoryRawrzory
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    RetroByte wrote: »
    I love boobies and all that stuff

    Agreed (atleast on the "it doesn't matter" part) then again i have said all these things before and people keep at it ( a bit different wording though xD). I first thought they would actually not get this far, but apparently they did. I still don't care either way about the censorship, but i'm just glad that they are atleast making a statement so it can quite down.

  • HegokenHegoken
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    I said it multiple times on multiple forums, and no matter how many times I say it, people refuse to understand the words, may be their english isn't good or maybe I'm using words they haven't heard before. But I will say it again, because I'm not one to give up easy.

    For me at least, it's not about boobs or jiggles; it's about choice, and giving the power of choice to the players as to what they can expose themselves to. If you let them get away with altering the game and censuring things as they see fit, then it will snowball and become something much worse, like Marvel comics for instance.
    It also shows if the staff of this game is willing to listen to their fans, because you don't want to support a company that doesn't listen to their supporters, it goes nowhere fast.
    UncensoredorBust
  • TomatoTentacleTomatoTentacle
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    edited September 8
    For most people is not about the boobs and jiggle, it's about censorship in general. Yes, there's some people who are mad those things were removed, but I doubt it's even a considerable number.

    This game would clearly attract plenty of anime/manga fans, and these people hate censorship with a passion, and for a good reason, they have had to deal with publishers "localizing" products to better fit western markets for decades, without them ever being able to have a voice and no choice but to consume what was being given to them, but times change, and internet has made it so that customers have a voice and options to take their money elsewhere.

    4kids anime localization business going bankrupt was a cause of celebration among those circles, and people are waking up to the fact that they can have influence in these matters just by voting with their wallets AND letting the publisher well aware of why they chose not to support them. Foolish localization businesses that are too slow to adapt going under is a worthy prize to pay, specially since another, usually better option will take their place soon after.

    What's happening in Hyper Universe is not an isolated incident, it's part of a wider pushback against publishers's moronic attempt at telling people what they are allowed or not to enjoy.
    UncensoredorBustKingArthur
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