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  • DualToothBrushesYe4DualToothBrushesYe4
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    edited September 2, 2017
    They have listened. Not getting what you want doesn't mean they aren't listening or worried about the game. They addressed the art asset changes, and they're sticking by them. You guys need to grow up. Like just go to e-hentai if you need to beat it to animu tiddys.

    And why are you guys incapable of not bringing up "SJWs". Do you guys project this much in your daily life?
    They did address some parts of the overall incident here with the censorship. But we're talking specifically about the suggested and well-preferred option of being able to toggle the censorship on/off instead of applying it for everyone. They never talked about it or showed any signs of having read about it yet. This was the reason this thread was made in the first place, or a big part of it, if I'm not mistaken.

    Rawrzory wrote: »
    Most people don't even use these forums (steam is ALLOT more active) and even then how many of the people that play games actually use forums at all ? If this game would fail it would simply mean the gameplay wasn't good enough. Censorship will have little to do with it. If the gameplay is good it will survive (look at overwatch censorship it's still extremely succesful even when catering souly to SJW's), if its bad it will die out even with reverting the changes.
    Overwatch was censored? From what I know, there's pretty much nothing on Overwatch censorship other than them shutting down some Overwatch porn online and the issue with Tracer's pose around when Overwatch was launched. In the latter's case, it wasn't even 'censorship' to most fans, rather they considered it a punch to SJW's and those who cried for censorship. I don't see how you consider the game as catering solely to SJW's?
  • HegokenHegoken
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    Rawrzory wrote: »
    Most people don't even use these forums (steam is ALLOT more active) and even then how many of the people that play games actually use forums at all ? If this game would fail it would simply mean the gameplay wasn't good enough. Censorship will have little to do with it. If the gameplay is good it will survive (look at overwatch censorship it's still extremely succesful even when catering souly to SJW's), if its bad it will die out even with reverting the changes.

    You are very astute!
    Don't worrry, I have only just begun expressing the truth about this games treatment to the community on that front too. Here is my review of Hyper Universe on steam that I posted today.

    12 of 14 people (86%) found this review helpful 1

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    The original form of the game was great and had a lot of potential...until they ruined it...

    This game was originally a Korean game with beautiful art, amazing and appealing characters, and intense 2D combat. But then shortly after the Beta release, when it went early access to play, they started 'Localizing' the game.

    Pretty much they shrunk the breasts of the character and started censoring the crap of anything they depict as 'lewd'.
    The gorgeous art and beautiful characters is what brought me there, and then they started taking it away, piece by piece. I can tell the way things are going eventually it will get worse and worse and worse.

    The fans spoke out against it, STILL speaking out against it, but the company is set to ignore them. A company who ignores the fans will not fair too well at supporting the fans in the future.

    I can't recommend this game, even if the gameplay is fun, it will all fall apart if they keep ignoring the very community that's supporting them.
  • SirObesitySirObesity
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    edited September 2, 2017
    Hegoken, I wouldn't bother paying talking to shadowjesus. He's just posting to get people angry.

    But like I said in the previous post, I'm not going to buy anything from HU in the future, and a lot who agree should do the same.

    I would also tell others to hold their money before purchasing the early access. I already told a few of mine.

    I am glad however, that I got everything free since I was part of the alpha testing. I think I'll go play a game... Or just wait in queue for 60 minutes... lol
  • HegokenHegoken
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    SirObesity wrote: »
    Hegoken, I wouldn't bother paying talking to shadowjesus. He's just posting to get people angry.

    But like I said in the previous post, I'm not going to buy anything from HU in the future, and a lot who agree should do the same.

    I would also tell others to hold their money before purchasing the early access. I already told a few of mine.

    I am glad however, that I got everything free since I was part of the alpha testing. I think I'll go play a game... Or just wait in queue for 60 minutes... lol

    I respect your decision. I cannot bring myself to support the game and play it, knowing that by playing it I'm supporting them and the decisions they make.
    Although it hurts my spirits, I can look at this as a gain as well if the censorship does go live without a toggle option, that just means I'll be playing a very good game such as Nier: Automata, and maybe I'll go back to dragon's crown....hmmmm....CHOICES!
  • SirObesitySirObesity
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    Oh yeah, moba games like this revolve around skin sales. Censor that, the game is pretty much dead.
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  • RawrzoryRawrzory
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    I don't see how you consider the game as catering solely to SJW's?

    There where also cries about the females all being to standard in their posture (slim). So then came mei. Then they complained there was not enough diversion in the actual characters of the champs and then came zarya. Then the next thing that followed was all the characters where straight and tracer was all of a sudden gay. I mean ... tracers pose is just one of many cases of them catering to this crowd. The censorship only being one of them.

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  • DualToothBrushesYe4DualToothBrushesYe4
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    edited September 2, 2017
    Rawrzory wrote: »
    I don't see how you consider the game as catering solely to SJW's?

    There where also cries about the females all being to standard in their posture (slim). So then came mei. Then they complained there was not enough diversion in the actual characters of the champs and then came zarya. Then the next thing that followed was all the characters where straight and tracer was all of a sudden gay. I mean ... tracers pose is just one of many cases of them catering to this crowd. The censorship only being one of them.

    Er, they advertised having a diverse cast as one of their beneficial points from the very beginning. Mei and Zarya were part of the original cast before the game was even out. And Tracer being gay was practically already a given seeing as how every fan art regarding her prior to the comic already had her being gay (though for Widowmaker). Besides, none of these are things that actually resulted in negative changes or deletions/censorships due to SJW's demanding changes.
    And they actually catered more to the general fans with the new Tracer pose rather than with the SJW.

    Edit: There's trying to appeal to some SJW's while not taking away from the game or disturbing the established fanbase, and there's catering to SJW's while completely opposing the general fanbase's overall consensus.
  • RawrzoryRawrzory
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    Hegoken wrote: »
    You are very astute!
    Don't worrry, I have only just begun expressing the truth about this games treatment to the community on that front too. Here is my review of Hyper Universe on steam that I posted today.

    Well thanks for the compliment, I don't worry that you won't continue and i won't stop you from trying (as everybody is in their good right to a oppinion). I do think though that you are wasting energy on a project that won't stand or fall by the input you give.

    The f2p players will in the end make or break the game. Most likely there are even a few people now that won't buy it because of the negativity surrounding the censorship, but if something turns f2p there is nothing to loose.

    At that point the gameplay has to be good enough to make them stay or not. You have to be really convinced about the censorship if you really want to avoid a game you really really like just because of that one reason. I mean it's free so even if you don't support the idea of censorship it doesn't cost you any money to play.

    So in a sense the personal justification to still play would be "i am not supporting them by not giving money". Indirectly you are still supportive as you give them a playerbase for people that will buy skins etc.

    I have seen a few people that are as fanatic again censorship as you are and those will not join in (most likely). So you are either fanatic enough to not play or you whern't that intrested in the game to begin with. If people whern't that intrested in it anyways they would most likely not stay long even without the censorship.
  • RawrzoryRawrzory
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    edited September 2, 2017

    Er, they advertised having a diverse cast as one of their beneficial points from the very beginning. Mei and Zarya were part of the original cast before the game was even out. And Tracer being gay was practically already a given seeing as how every fan art regarding her prior to the comic already had her being gay (though for Widowmaker). Besides, none of these are things that actually resulted in negative changes or deletions/censorships due to SJW's demanding changes.
    And they actually catered more to the general fans with the new Tracer pose rather than with the SJW.

    Edit: There's trying to appeal to some SJW's while not taking away from the game or disturbing the established fanbase, and there's catering to SJW's while completely opposing the general fanbase's overall consensus.

    In the time i played overwatch i followed the forums and news about OW pretty well. They even made a statement (which i would be hard pressed to find right now, but i will look if i can find it), but a blizzard admin or CEO even posting that they hoped that the 2 chars would actually be a step in the good direction because of the complaints. The general concept idea of the chars was there yeah, but their end design/looks where pretty much based on the discussions.

    Fanart always has hero x hero as that is the vision of the creator of the fanart. I mean you don't want to know how much naruto x susuke is flying around the net, but as far as i know the series ended with them still only being friends.

    Well as far as catering to SJW's goes this game does it wrong. There is still only "perfect" women in this game. Pretty much waifu paradise and that is not the SJW way of doing things. The SJW's pretty much oppose idealisme in games. Atleast once there is too much of it and as said this game does not even come close to what SJW's would like to see. Well yuna technically is non-binary and we could make a random female and male gay and jack transgender (edit: or transfluid even), but you know what i'm getting at.
  • HegokenHegoken
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    edited September 2, 2017
    Rawrzory wrote: »

    Well thanks for the compliment, I don't worry that you won't continue and i won't stop you from trying (as everybody is in their good right to a oppinion). I do think though that you are wasting energy on a project that won't stand or fall by the input you give.

    The f2p players will in the end make or break the game. Most likely there are even a few people now that won't buy it because of the negativity surrounding the censorship, but if something turns f2p there is nothing to loose.

    At that point the gameplay has to be good enough to make them stay or not. You have to be really convinced about the censorship if you really want to avoid a game you really really like just because of that one reason. I mean it's free so even if you don't support the idea of censorship it doesn't cost you any money to play.

    So in a sense the personal justification to still play would be "i am not supporting them by not giving money". Indirectly you are still supportive as you give them a playerbase for people that will buy skins etc.

    I have seen a few people that are as fanatic again censorship as you are and those will not join in (most likely). So you are either fanatic enough to not play or you whern't that intrested in the game to begin with. If people whern't that intrested in it anyways they would most likely not stay long even without the censorship.

    What you're saying rings true, maybe nothing will come from my efforts, which is most likely the case, but maybe another game company out there will look at this backlash and learn from it. Maybe a company will adopt a toggle censorship option for their future game.

    But don't mistake me, it's not just about censorship, it's about choice. Players should choose what they see and what they expose themselves to.

    It's not just about Hyper Universe with general topics like giving players choice, it applies to all video games and censoring.

    Regading this game however how quickly things would be fixed if it was just an option like that phone game from Korea. lol Such a quick remedy to make everyone happy, and the admins won't even address it...
  • DualToothBrushesYe4DualToothBrushesYe4
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    edited September 2, 2017
    @Rawrzory
    I see. I simply don't think it's catering solely to SJW's for those given changes, especially considering they also have D.VA, Tracer, Widowmaker, Symmetra, etc., and how the few things they did implement in regards to SJW's don't make up a 'majority' of the game in the first place, nor do they actually displease the fanbase of the game or take anything away. They're surely appealing to some, but they're still giving plenty of attention to the general playerbase.

    Anyway, just to add something on topic, while they are merely censoring some things, people take that as taking the view of SJW's in higher priority over the players' own view, thus leading to the idea that they cater more towards SJW's. Especially since both parties have directly opposing views. Personally, I'd at least like some sort of response from them about the whole "toggle on/off" suggestion, which I think is a perfect fit to both sides of the issue here. I'd say it would be even better if they decide to roll with that, if only just to kill off the whole censorship controversy with this game which could scare off potential new players and make the focus stray from the actual gameplay itself.

    While they said how they think their form of censorship is a good compromise between both sides (making minimal changes with the breasts and all), people still view it as censorship (whether partial or extreme) at all forced onto them and will oppose it, rather than seeing it as a compromise leading to minimal changes.
  • SirObesitySirObesity
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    Censored Gaming released a Youtube video on this.

    A lot of people were put off by Nexon's decision

    Here is the link:

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=CiACU7zvut0
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  • HegokenHegoken
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    SirObesity wrote: »
    Censored Gaming released a Youtube video on this.

    A lot of people were put off by Nexon's decision

    Here is the link:

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=CiACU7zvut0

    Thank you for bringing this to my attention. It's no surprise that more and more of this game's business practices and poor sense of catering to the fans will slowly drive it into the dirt. They are already off to a rocky start, and the hill seems to be pointing downward.

    If only they had a function that would please both people who wants it censored and people who wants it uncensored! I dunno, like maybe a toggle feature or something in the options menu!
    Arbitrary
  • Darkside_HeroDarkside_Hero
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    They are using the uncensored art at the top of this site as I post this.
    Classic bait and switch.

  • ShakrinaShakrina
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    Me it's done, if even KR censore it = no way for uncensored patch = game uninstalled. Wanted my lewd chara .
    HF all. Me i will just wait for the release of league of maidens, no doubt there , no censore xD
  • KingArthurKingArthur
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    edited September 3, 2017
    Info based on: https://steamspy.com/app/591530

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    Nexon...over 3000 people, roughly about 1/4 of the game owners, has refunded the game.
    Are you sure wanna follow this path?

    This is sad, i had such high hopes for this game...
    Edetha
  • TomatoTentacleTomatoTentacle
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    edited September 3, 2017
    Kind of sad they chose to ignore a seemingly large part of their userbase back in beta in favor of god knows who. Do they even bothered to inform themselves as to what their actual players thought before pulling the trigger? Former positive conversation in youtube videos turned into bitter disdain for the game.

    The numbers speak for themselves, no one is giving a damn about this game, the only coverage it's getting is from anti-censorship avenues, one of the most watched videos about the game on youtube is denouncing the censorship, the only 2 curators to have reviewed the game on steam are Cut-Content Police and Censor Watch, and it's peaking at around 200 concurrent players daily who, from first looks, are mostly former alpha and beta participants, so that pathetic number isn't even composed of actual sales.

    3 youtuber communities I know off are openly boycotting the game, this is seemingly the only topic that gets brought up in the forums and social media, several korean players I personally know from said youtube communities, who originally introduced me to the game, are in fumes from learning that their version of the game is getting censored due to Nexon.

    Simple minded people will go about how those against censorship "should just go watch some hentai" are taking a holier than thou approach, completely sidelining the principle argument in favor of their derogatory remarks, calling people names rarely works, if anything it will just make them feel more strongly about their cause. Nowadays the plaster cast fig leaf used to cover David's genitals back in the 1800s is displayed on it's own behind the statue as a reminder of the foolishness and dangers that catering to the overly sensitive and easily offended present to arts.

    At this point I feel bad for the developers in Korea, their game is not doing well over there despite what some people claim (until I see this game showing up on PC Bang rankings, I will believe the koreans I know that say the game is dead over there), the game is off to a very rough start with tiny playerbase and a lot of bad faith from it's own former players for a situation that was completely avoidable (gits getting cancelled after paid early access is not gonna help cultivate good faith for it either).

    I hope whatever people you brought in with your "mass appeal" censorship is enough to counterweight your disenfranchised former players. As for me, this was my first Nexon game, I quickly learned about Nexon's dreadful reputation, and after this whole fiasco I'm certain that this will also be my last Nexon game.
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  • RawrzoryRawrzory
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    Well lets be honest here OW has been smart about the implementation that caters to this crowd. I have seen few companies who handled it as good as blizzard has. Marketing is blizzards forte, not making games. They have a huge followerbase, that will pretty much eat the out of blizzards hands purely based on marketing.

    I mean some things like the AH in diablo 3 should have killed off the game quite fast if it where from a small publisher with limited recoursces, but since it's blizzard they can revert the changes at one point while they kep the AH for quite some time. Even then i still think they only reverted the changes since the money they made from the AH didn't not outweigh the costs of the upkeep in terms of servercosts (i suspect they ran it on another server). So it wasn't in their advantage to keep it around whereas removing it killed quite a bit of "p2w" complaints. Win, win in this case for blizzard.

    Another thing is if you look at widowmaker and dva they are both covered more then the censored celine. Also widowmaker in a rough estimate only has half the bust side of celine aswell. It's small atleast in comparison. The models are already "human" so there isn't a whole lot to complain about (although people still did ofcourse especially about widowmaker).

    @Hegoken

    As i have said before i'm not for the censorship or against it as i have nothing to gain from both sides. So a toggle option is something that would get my support, but as i also said before i think once they add the toggle function the game will get judged based on the option toggled "off". The public eye will not even look at the game as if there where a censorship version. Parenting responsiblity is pretty much dead in 2017 if it concerns gaming. The responsiblity gets thrown to the companies.

    I'll say again i do support getting 2 versions is in the most ideal outcome would be the "culture" would be pleased and the people that are a bit more free in their thinking pattern about female form and sensuality can also be pleased. I have only seen a few companies handle this right though it's a pretty fine line to walk.
  • HegokenHegoken
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    Rawrzory wrote: »
    @Hegoken

    As i have said before i'm not for the censorship or against it as i have nothing to gain from both sides. So a toggle option is something that would get my support, but as i also said before i think once they add the toggle function the game will get judged based on the option toggled "off". The public eye will not even look at the game as if there where a censorship version. Parenting responsiblity is pretty much dead in 2017 if it concerns gaming. The responsiblity gets thrown to the companies.

    I'll say again i do support getting 2 versions is in the most ideal outcome would be the "culture" would be pleased and the people that are a bit more free in their thinking pattern about female form and sensuality can also be pleased. I have only seen a few companies handle this right though it's a pretty fine line to walk.

    I once again point at Taro once again. When you have a whole fanbase backing you it really doesn't matter what the public says. Read this article, it's amazing.

    http://nichegamer.com/2017/01/08/nier-automata-creator-yoko-taro-responds-to-protagonist-butt-controversy/

    Taro's Nier: Automata pulled in a 'butt'-load of cash. lol
  • EdethaEdetha
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    edited September 3, 2017
    Hello,

    I have come from other Nexon titles, mostly Vindictus/Mabinogi, and was looking for another game to play.

    I understand there were some attempts at making this game more child/family friendly, but I believe they did the exact opposite of this with the censorship.

    If I were a child, and I heard about this censorship, the first thing that would come to my mind is "I should be ashamed of my body, and hide it."

    That is NOT a statement we should pass on towards the next generation.

    Nexon, you lost a customer for this game.
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